Voyager 2017 Puntata 233 del 21/08/2017
Roberto Giacobbo si soffermerà su uno dei viaggiatori e scopritori più famosi al mondo, Cristoforo Colombo e sui segreti che ancora si nascondono nell'operazione che ha cambiato il mondo: la scoperta dell'America. Che si trattasse di terre già "scoperte"? Cosa lega papa Innocenzo VIII, la famiglia Geraldini e John Fitzgerald Kennedy?
Il maggior esperto italiano e forse al mondo di Cristoforo Colombo, Ruggero Marino, ci racconterà delle grandiose novità sul famoso viaggiatore e gli intrighi della Chiesa.


English Version:

Good evening and welcome!
Tonight while travelling we will try to get to know important travelers. We will talk about Christopher Columbus, yes that's right what new could the possibly be. We will reveal that later.
And talking about the Americas we must say that a very significant and very famous American man, was of Italian origins and we will discover which they are so we will also get to understand better the personality of that man we are talking about.
The time for our departure has arrived. We are going to Spain.
1492 a historical year, Christopher Columbus discovers America. A discovery that changed the fate of Europe and the entire world. A story that is written in all school history books. An historical event that we all believe we know very well, but is it really a discovery or something else? Land, land, it was at 2 of October the 12th 1492 when from "Pinta" one out of the 3 caravels was herd this yelling this shout out. It was the discovery of the new world. We believe that we know everything about the life and the discoveries of Christopher Columbus, but if we find ourselves talking about him this evening, is because new evidence is being revealed. As you know we like to search the fiction in the story and the reality in the legend.
And it’s in the legend that still lives, about the discovery of America that we find new elements on another Italian protagonist. New unknown evidence brings us to say something that has been never told before.
What connects John Fitzgerald Kennedy the 35th president of the United States, with the discovery of America? A story full of scheming and conflicts of power, in which protagonists are two Popes one heresy and one enigmatic person that intervenes and resolves everything.
Kennedy, was he predestined, what part did destiny play in his presidency? “unbelievable!” We have often talked about the possibility that ancient navigators had reached the coasts of the American continent. The route to America was already known to the Greeks and the Carthaginians but it was mostly the Romans that explored the lands of the other side of the Atlantic. Traces of the Roman’s journeys were found in many American sites. The head of a Roman statue was found in Mexico, dated back to the 2nd century A.D
Roman coins have been discovered in hundreds all around north America and along Venezuela furthermore a Roman ship wreck was discovered in the end of 800’s along the coasts of Texas.
In the past, we have examined the possibility that templars already knew the routes to the American continent. According to some the harbor of Rochelle in the Atlantic was constructed with the intention not only to facilitate transatlantic voyages but also, the potential of imports of precious minerals of the mines of the new world. That could explain the massive use of gold and silver in the constructions of the great gothic cathedrals. Other indications are presented in the chapels of Rosslyn in Scotland that naturally belongs to the Sinclair family, like we said many times, a house that had many protagonists in the stories of knight templars. Remember this name Sinclair!
In a couple of columns, you can recognize the sculpting of American cactus and corn which was still unknown in Europe, and were only known after the discovery of America.
1479 Cristopher Columbus decides to relocate in Lisbon a crucial center for the future maritime discoveries. There he starts a small business. A small shop that sells nautical maps. He also meets a girl, her name is Filipa Moniz Perestrello. A girl he falls in love with and decide to marry. Felipa was the daughter of the deceased Bartolomeo Perestrello and of Isabelle Mons. In their wedding day, Cristoforo Columbo’s’  mother in law, yes, even Columbos’ had a mother in law, brings a gift, the most important gift, the gift that would be daughters dowry. And what was that gift? It was nautical maps. To a nautical maps merchant are given nautical maps? Why? How important could those documents be? Why would those maps be important? Well Felipa’s father Bartolomeo Perestrello was related to Lord Sinclair, yes, that one of the Rosslyn chapel. What did they own in this family? What were the treasures on these documents that should be passed to the new generations? It all makes you think that Columbus started off something that someone already known if not himself. Anyway, let’s be reminded that on the sails of the caravels there was a cross. A templars cross. Once they arrived in those lands the people received them gladly, in brotherhood. Maybe they had already seen this cross, maybe Columbus already knew where he was going.
In other of our researches we have already shown traces that indicated the passing of the knight Templars in the new world, like the enigmatic tower of Newport in Rhode Island or the heart of treasure in the island of Hokkaido. But not only there would be more indications that make one suppose that Columbus knew a lot more about the new world before his fateful departure on the 3rd of August of 1492. If one of his objectives was to trade with China, why bring colorful glass and other knick-knacks more appropriate to set up lucrative exchange with the local Indians other than with famous emperor. An important clue is present in maps of Piri Reis an enigmatic map, dated in 1513, after Columbus discovery, but reveal lands discovered centuries later. Like the Antarctic of the southern far ends of Latin America. On the side notes the map’s writer, the Turkish admiral Piri Reis to be exact, explains that he used 20 older maps, of which there appears to be one of a Genoese by the name of Columbus. Embarked off the Antilles in 890 in the Islamic calendar which corresponds in 1485 of our calendar.
Columbus had already visited the American continent? On what maps could he have been based upon and how had he got a hold of them?
One guess could be that many of those maps were coming from the library of Alexandria and had been reserved in the east and were brought in Europe thanks to the crusades of the holy land. Those maps could have been in the possession of the descendants of the Knight templars, or rediscovered by the Florence lobby of the Great Lorenzo. Or even in the churches archives. Giovanni Battista Cybo, Papa innocent VIII may have played an important part in this event. Actually on his grave, located inside the basilica of saint Peter to this day, there is an enigmatic inscription that reads. “in his times, the glory of the discovery of a new world.”
This phrase seems to refer to a discovery. What is behind this?
On the 25th of July 1492 Innocent VIII dies, how comes really that on his grave this phrase about new lands was written, what had he already known?
How is it possible that there are maps that tell us about America, long before 1492 the 12th of October the date of Christopher Columbus discovery? Is it possible that who had postponed the announcement of that discovery, would have political implications? Was there something else behind? Maybe this plan was made with a few strokes of the pen and if it was, who was behind all this?
You see Roberto, the preparations of the discovery of America was being developing for about 50 years in my opinion, from the fall of Constantinople to what is officially known to be the departure, and who is the sponsor, Deus ex machina of this operation. A Roman Pope. Innocent VIII, Giovanni Battista Cibo, who strangely was completely disappeared from the Columbus story. The Vatican had absolutely something to do in this expedition that would revolutionize the existence of the entire world.
Innocent thought that he would go on with this discovery of the new world through his legate, his ambassador, Cristopher Columbus, to find the gold of the Indias. To what this gold of the Indias would serve? It would serve to plan the final crusade against the Islam.
But if it is so .. why is it that the story that we know turns out to be totally different?
It’s a fact that Pope Innocent died on the 25th of July in 1492 and with the succession of the Borgias a lot of things changed the plans completely.
Every part of a meticulously organized in details plan, most probably to the point of the entire operation, was later alternated according to the agreements between Pope Borgia, who is said to have been nominated with the plots of Ferdinando and Isabella so that only Spain would exploit the new world.
A series of incredible falsifications have been made which make it difficult to verify the authenticity of certain documents.
Rodrigo Borgia was nominated Pope on the 26th in August 1492 with the name of Alexander VI a little more than a month later than the departure of Cristopher Columbus for the Americas, was Spanish. Was he elected as Pope for this purpose? To promote Spain in this expedition?
Maybe we can find an answer in old documents.
As we know history is written by the victors.
We are talking about the discovery of America by Cristopher Columbus, and many documents dated on this period have disappeared, yes because after Columbus death, his son Diego had a severe dispute concerning money and power resulting from his father’s passing. And it’s likely that the royal house had something to do with this disappearing. But we shouldn’t lose faith, because by searching you find proof.
We can find something that was missed by those that wanted to hide the facts.
We are in Santa Fe, a few kilometers away from Granada.
An agreement was signed here in 1492, between the Royals of Spain and Columbus, to give life to the big expedition of the great Genoese navigator.
And exactly here we will find documents of very important information. Something that will help us understand what may have happened in that period and what the truth about the discovery of the new land.
It all could have started by a woman an enigmatic woman.
Of course Roberto, you should know that this mysterious duchess that you are talking about was a descendant of one of the oldest and more noble families of Spain the Medina-Sidonia one of the families that among other things had financed Columbus voyage Duchess  Luisa Isabella Alvarez of Toledo, known as La Duquesa Roja, passed away in 2008 spend her entire life studying  and classifying more than 6 million of documents that belonged to her family a very important and authentic archive, in which the Duchess found documents that mention corn and parrots present in Europe, long before 1492. Clues and letters led her to form the hypothesis according to which Spanish, Portuguese, English and Genoese must have known the Americas long before Columbus. According to the Duchess, the Martino V era, in the first half of 400’s various parts of the new world had already been shared among the biggest nations of that time. But it all had happened secretly, many had the maps including Columbus and his lieutenant Pinzon, he must have obtained them from the Vatican.
What was called the new kingdom of Granada, was in fact central America. The gold who they said they imported from Africa or Guinea was in fact coming from the American mines of Brazil.
So, the Duchess has found something very interesting, but those are not the only indications that make us think that Columbus had done something before the official date – October 12th, 1492-.
We have already talked about the Piri Reis map, here is a copy of it, and in this map, remember there is a date that is referring to Columbus, before 1492.
Could all that be enough? Probably not, but there is more that can make us think. In fact, precisely at this place and soon we will see the exact place where there was this signature. There was an agreement between Isabella of Castilla and Cristopher Columbus. A few lines for a very important assignment, but in those few lines, attention, there is a mistake that we are about to uncover together.
The document is here. We must thank the people who have helped us in the museum that has closed the doors for some time to allow us to tell the story of Columbus in its details. Here is the document let’s look at it together. It is the agreement between Isabella di Castilla and Cristopher Columbus, we should specifically insist on this part up here in this phrase right here we now approach it and we will look at it together and we are reading the Italian translation of this writing. “The content of this plea declares that her majesty offers and grant Cristopher Columbus as a compensation of what he has discovered in the oceanic seas and to the voyage that now in God’s grace he has to accomplish, in her majesty’s service, are those that follow” and then goes the entire list. Attention though. “what he has discovered in the seas” but why use a verb in a past tense?
Maybe Columbus was returning to places he already knew? Then how comes he hadn’t made it public before? We will ask Ruggero Marino about all that.
You see Roberto this was not just a simple discovery. The verification of the existence of new land in those times would be, say like verify now days there’s life on Mars. That there is life in other worlds the fathers of the church, have always written that on antipodes there could not be another life. And whose would those children be? they Weren’t Adam’s children For the church, this was a really a severe crisis, having to assert the existence of a 4th world. At this point the knowledge of the new world was getting around in printings papers, kings and princes were trying to become kings of the world, if the church hadn’t done it and instead in quote play hide and seek, probably the church would even face the risk to collapse entirely.
A situation that had to be dealt with the soonest possible.
It would take a mediator, a man, an Italian, named Alessandro Geraldini, a man that was close to Innocent VIII but who was also close to the Spanish royals, in fact he was the teacher of their children between 1491 and 1492 Alessandro manages to arrange for Columbus and the Royals to talk and exactly at this place a committee was established, that would be able to evaluate what Columbus was introducing, presenting it in a way that he would come off as an explorer and not as a heretic.
Let’s try to understand this better by asking Ruggero Marino.
Alessandro was the one to unfreeze the operation America by convincing Isabella who despite Ferdinando’s hesitations decides to finance the expedition. Alessandro Geraldini says there was only little risk in Columbus voyage, so there should be a way to facilitate Columbus operation because it would bring a lot of potential to Spain and the future of the Spanish crown, eventually Isabella was convinced, and authorizes Columbus’ expedition.
So, the issue of heresies was resolved this way but without Alessandro Geraldini possibly none of that would have happened. See this house? this white building, well right here was the tent, because once upon a time there was a campsite here. The campsite that was prepared to against Granata, the military was stationed here, and inside the main tent, this agreement was signed. On this exact spot Columbus was given the news. He was so devoted and committed to Alessandro Geraldini that he nominated him the first bishop of Santo Domingo of the new world. The Geraldini family was naturally pushed for in the new continent and departing from Italy passing through Ireland arrived in the new world. There is one family, one important family known to the entire world, that has a part of the Geraldini blood.
To discover this, we have to go back to Italy. To Amelia.
The Geraldini family traversed Europe far and wide and then they came here in Amelia in Umbria and Alessandro Geraldini the first bishop of America, think about it, in the new land, the new world is buried in Santo Domingo. So right now, we can’t visit his place of resting but we can see the tombs of other members of his family that are right here in the church of Saint Francis in Amelia. And why do we have to go see them? Because there is something particular that we go discover together. And here we are, we have entered we are about to enter the side chapel looking at the alter on the right, where we can see on this sign “here lie members of the Geraldini family” going in this chapel dedicated to saint Antonio we can see those tombs. See their name is written here on the top. The tomb is of 1477. This is the Tomb of Camillo Geraldini of 1480 and this one of Belisario Gerldini even though it reads Geraldino… it is of 1482. Even on the floor there are tiles that mention them. On this spot it read “Natorum Geraldinorum” what is most impressing, are not the tombs and the beauty of them. But according to the dates that I just showed you, remember that America was officially discovered later by Cristopher Columbus, in 1492, all these dates we saw are preceding, those are the dates of passing of those people, comes off strange how is it possible that just on the bottom of those tombs there are these engravings that according to some remind the faces and the head coverings traditional of America. Like this one specifically.
Is it possible that the Geraldini family already knew America, before Cristopher Columbus’s’ voyage? Ruggero Marino has some thoughts regarding this assumption.
Dear Roberto in the engraving of those sarcophagus there are representations of Indians no doubt they wear headcovers with feathers. It is said that the Geraldini was a military family, a family of poor soldiers of Crist and possibly they had already been in America.
But what connected the Geraldini and America could also be something else.
We must start off of a very exciting line of reasoning. And we will do this together, revisiting the traces of history. It was the 20th of January in 1961 that was elected the young president of the United states, John Kennedy, when John Kennedy was elected, count Antonello Geraldini at the time, said “one more Geraldini makes history” why would he say that? There is something that must be told about. John Kennedy’s name was not just John Kennedy. It was John Fitzgerald Kennedy. Fitzgerald was the name of his maternal side of the family. Fitzgerald Geraldini is it just a phonetic harmony? But of which you can start of to unravel a fascinating history line. We know that the Geraldini come from Florence. Some of them came here in Amelia, those tombs are the testimony of their lives in this wonderful place. Some of them went to Northern Europe. We have the luck, here in Amelia, to meet with one descendant of the family, Alessandro Geraldini. We will meet him and ask him about how the family moved around the world.
Alessandro Geraldini or should I call him Count?
You can just call me Alessandro. The family’s origins are in Arezzo to later move to Siena and finally to Florence. In 1170 the Geraldini were deported from Florence. Geraldo had 6 children. 3 of his mostly known sons will bring us to England, are Maurizio, Gherardo and Tommaso, that served Ludwig Young who was the king of France at the time, some other children came here in Amelia.
So far nothing strange. A powerful family well connected to the Vatican and to the entire Europe. But what connects the Geraldini family to the Kennedys? Why would there be a relation between those two families?
The brothers Maurizio, Gherardo and Tommaso, in the meantime are, with Ludwig the Young, king of France, who had a great relationship with Henry II of England. The English king had already tried to conquer Ireland in the past years, turns to the king of France to ask for warriors. An army of efficient invincible soldiers, to help him win back Ireland.
12 years later in 1182 they leave to conquer Ireland, that was a perfect success. The 3 Geraldini brothers were lavished with all kinds of honors by Henry the II, and Ireland was practically divided in 3 parts. Each one under the command of each brother. The oldest brother Maurizio was the one that became viceroy of the entire Ireland, they changed their family name to feel more English, to Fitzgerald, meaning sons of Geraldo, the father that they had left back in Italy. This is how the famous debate starts, in 1962 of John Fitzgerald Kennedy president of the United States, whose mother’s name was Rose Fitzgerald. John Fitzgerald said that day, the Columbus day, that his mother was of Italian origins to begin with, and that raised major impact, because no one had ever imagined such a thing.
Ladies and gentleman, I want to express my great appreciation to all of you for your generous invitation to come here today. My grandfather, John F. Fitzgerald, who used to be the mayor of Boston, and was a Congressman, always used to claim that the Fitzgeralds were actually Italian, they were descended from the Geraldini, who came from Venice. I have never had the courage to make that claim, but I'll make it on Columbus Day here in this State of New Jersey today.
Fitzgerald, sons of Geraldini, this passage is really fascinating. A passage that helps us realize how the Italian history, the history of our country, is rich and spread out in honors in the entire world.

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